Was plasantly surprised by a web client, which is a nice touch. I could do without the health/mana/stuff on the web client and just have the output and an input line and that's good enough for me personally, but YMMV on that one.

Still I'm fairly sure I tried it before but don't realy remember. So how is it that different from the thousands of other hack and slash medieval muds out there, then. I mean what sets it apart?

Okay just to let people know, ran into some much more helpful folks on the game, which of course was a much more pleasant experience than that one grumpy person at first, I've edited the first post to reflect as much, since now I'm back to questing and finding stuff the game is looking like a lot of fun, though unfortunately since it is so open finding ways of making money is difficult, since most things are tougher than you are, and unlike in the tutorial area, your not directed as to what to fight.

Indeed, I chose to go magic rather than warrior, in the two newbie guilds, and am wondering if I made the right choice, since all of the spells I've learned have been pretty useless, and some even require items like gems I have no idea where to get, though herb gathering does seem to be a way to make money without fighting which is good.

Well on the one hand yes, if the quest requires you to type "push dresser away from wall", you would have to type that exactly.

On the other, the syntax always seems to be presented in the description if you look at the right thing, EG the dresser might say: "This dresser is far lighter than it looks at first, you might be able to push it away from the wall."

Two towers is the same with this.

The problem usually comes in working out which thing you're supposed to examine, because the game is pretty large.

the temple I mentioned having so much trouble finding required me to use the command "scale rocks", which was no problem once I found the right rocks  because the description straight off told me I could scale them.

The problem is that I was just told the temple was on the beach, and the beach is pretty long, so long I managed to wander into a higher level area and get myself one shotted, losing all my money and eq (and money is a big deal in this game).

Then again there is a full list of quests and solutions here, which is even linked to from the game's website, albeit it didn't mention that blasted temple, and as I said, once I asked and someone decent was around, people were still ready to help.

No ranged from what I gather unfortunately, though I will say combat is a bit more complicated than I thought
For example, the game generates different versions of the same mobs with different attitudes.

So at one point you might find a bunch of cowardly orcs who run away, at another you might get a crowd who all try to overwhelm you, or one bold orc who spurs the others to try attacking.

the game can be a bit grindy for money, which is a miner annoyance, though the landscape is nice.

@computergamer, I don't know if that's a mushclient settings thing.
I've been playing on vipmud with no problems at all.

Ok, so what can i do about my issue with mush client? Do i perhaps have to add plugins or something? My char name is mortimer by the way. I thought the choices at the start was fun to create your character with fingers, hands and stuff.

You do need to add some plugins. You need mushreader, omit blank lines, capture mud output, and output functions to make it work. Lua Audio is a good one if you plan on adding sounds, but not necessary.

@Luel, I suspect magic becomes awesome at higher levels or when you get into different guilds, the problem was with the academy beginner guild and the way progression seemed to work.

To use each  spell, you need to both have specific levels of certain elements, and specific magic, this meant two different things to pay for and practice; not to mention general skills like herbalism for herb gathering and spell craft), then you'd need components, some of which could be got by herbalism or cut from corpses, but some of which were different types of gems, and the only place I found that had gems was a very expensive shop (if you could mine them I'd probably not have minded).

All of this took lots of money, and the two ways of making money are to sell loot from monsters or herbs you gather, and of course since even when you do! put some of that precious money into advancing combat skills as far as you can in order to actually survive a fight, you still can't get them high enough to take on too many monsters, which limits how much exploring and questing you do.

maybe it's me, being persistent in wanting to finish the final quest of the newbie series in the main game, maybe there are less combat heavy quests which reward more cash, but when I finally! earned  a somewhat useful looking combat spell, and yet couldn't use it due to not having the right elemental and spell levels which meant yet more grinding, I decided enough was enough, especially with the comment about playing in parties when I asked on the newbie channel.

I have no problem with grinding in games , but I prefer to feel that my grinding is actually getting me somewhere, and when for all practical purposes I'd literally been playing for about eight hours post the newbie tutorial, and yet, other than herbalism for making money,  hadn't advanced any skills that actually helped me survive, or even been able to cast one single spell,  I decided magic was more trouble than it was worth.

Maybe it's better if you do different quests, or are in different magical guilds than the beginner academy, and I don't doubt the time pays off  eventually, but given the amount of skills and components needed to cast each spell and the constant need for cash for both, I'm very glad I switched to the cadets combat school.

Now, in the cadets I can directly advance combat skills like parry which help me survive and explore, and have got far further with the quest I mention, and if I do run into trouble and get beaten up, there is always a clear way forward, IE get cash to advance skills more.

since I'm in the gardener's craft guild thanks to the kind people I mentioned, I can even continue herb gathering as an extra  source of cash as well.

maybe others will have more luck with magic, or as I said, it's possible I was simply attempting the wrong quests; albeit the quest I was attempting was one pointed to me by the newbie help npc you meat when you get into the game proper.

I'd suggest myself Luel reserving judgement on the game until you've finished the tutorial, got into the main area and done some of the quests, indeed as I said in the first post, imho Genesis has one of the best tutorials I've ever seen in a mud! Most games have a tutorial quest or two, but to basically have a tutorial that's sort of a mini version of the main game, with quests that form an ongoing story, it's own narrative and even it's own tutorial zone only newbie guild with special skills and attacks to learn? It's epic!

Heck maybe you'll have better luck with magic than I did.

@Leul, feel free to give magic a try.
Wimpy does work very well, I only died when getting one shotted.

With gardening I'm not sure how useful it would be if you're doing magic as well, since the main gardening skill is herbalism which the newbie academy; and presumably other magic guilds, get access to anyway , though wandering around noting new types of plants in my journal is amusing .

Getting into the gardener's guild is something I genuinely couldn't have done without help, since even if I'd  found the guild itself, getting in requires a specific herb which apparently is only available in a zone with dangerous monsters.

fortunately, someone gave me a sample of it.

In the tutorial area, the gigantic mountain lion is just a big mob to demonstrate tough group only bosses. When I asked on the Newbie channel I was told you didn't get anything for killing it, so I left it alone as I wanted to get on with the rest of the game, the important things to complete are finishing the 7 quests in the quest orb, and reading all 49 signs both of which I did.

the farmer's daughter only has relevance at the end of the tutorial once you defeat the baron and only if you decide to become evil aligned.

spoilers ahoy!

Once you defeat the baron, he offers you a deal, if; instead of taking his heart and handing it to the mayor, you bring him the farmer's daughters heart instead, he'll give you power.

this is the extremely subtle alignment choice for the tutorial, either defeat the vampire and his demon hoards who  are plaguing the innocent people of this valley, or, mmm, murder a child, cut out her heart and sacrifice it to the powers of darkness!

Needless to say I didn't do that .

Nope nothing to be found in the hay from what I gathered.

One thing which I do find a miner irritation, is that there is no explanation at all about what any of the skills do when learning them outside of the tutorial, so at the moment I'm not sure if sneaking becomes useful later or not.

Oh the information from the cadets and the academy will tell you what skills are basically needed for magic and combat, but there are several outside of that that I'm not certain of.

@Leul, type quest 6 at the orb and you'll see it's the tutorial signs.

This btw, is also how you use quest orbs to get starting quest locations later on in the game.

You need to go to sign 49 near the portal, read it and type reward, I had to read it again even though I'd already read it before.

Once you've got the reward you'll be done.

@Computergamer, glad you got it working.

Channels aren't quite the same in genesis since they're tied to objects, spells or posts from the post office, IE more part of the game's world, so the newbie channel is tied to the newbie pin you get when you start. Ntell will send a message, and nhistory will review messages, though you'll learn all this from the signs in the tutorial; something which you'll need to do since reading all the tutorial signs is one of the quests in the tutorial zone.

Hope you like the game.