Pretty much agreed, Chris. It's an absolutely unpopular opinion because in such cases everyone acts as a sheep and does what they have been told.
On the other hand, re: parliaments and obligations. In Hungary it's indeed true, check and international news site. Most of us are obliged to be vaccinated because of university, school, work, etc etc, but in the parliament, this obligation simply, doesn't exist at all. I don't know why and how this could happen, but it's the painful truth.

@25: Yeah I really agree with this actually. It's so disrespectful and pisses me off when people compare free countries to actual dictatorships or call certain things censorship that are not censorship. What a shitty first world statement to make.

It's all because of the delivery people man! You don't understand. They are getting the most profit... All that takeout food... all those deliveries! They are behind it all!

In Hungary there are even universities which don't let you in unless you are vaccinated. I'm wondering what you think about this, Chris. We pretty much agree anyway.

I too am done with this shit and I will never be getting any more shots after the first two. even then it has actually messed with my system to where I will make swure people know that this thing will mess with people. if you want to get it fine by me go ahead and follow the shitty medical teams that work at the big hospitals. me and my familly have come to not trust the medical stuff as if of late for some stuff. most will not even have you in their best intrest as they are just using you for money.

@37 plus one from me

Okay, Chris, let's use some basic logic and an analogy.

Let's assume that we live in a world where you could give other people frostbite if you had it yourself, just by touching them. We don't, but work with me here. so in this fictional world, if you get really cold and develop frostbite, then touch someone else (or even get really close to them) there is a chance (but not a guarantee) that you can give them frostbite.
Now, let's say that we can significantly lower the chance of getting frostbitten in the first place by wearing a scarf. Again, just work with me here. So not only is your chance of getting frostbite lower by wearing the scarf, but your chance of giving someone else frostbite (on purpose or even by mistake, perhaps without even knowing) is also lower. Simply put, you are less likely to suffer from frostbite, and you're less likely to pass it to someone else.
Now imagine that frostbite is Covid-19 and the scarf is a vaccine. Same value. No, it is no guarantee, but if all ten people in a group are protected, that means all of them are less likely to get sick, have that sickness turn serious, or pass that sickness along. Is it perfectly, 100% effective? No, of course it's not. But it's in the order of 97%, closer to 85% with Omicron. Given the very, very low risk of the vaccine itself yielding dangerous complications, the math just doesn't lie.

Now, here's where I'm going to agree with you on one point. I do not like mandates at all. I don't like that people won't act in their own best interest by themselves. I don't like the idea that a government can (or even should) tell you what you have to put in your body. However, I would like to point out that you probably didn't have problems with health care workers or others working with vulnerable populations getting vaccinated against other things before now (yes, even flu shots are mandatory in some fields), and even if you did have problems with it, this is the first I've ever heard of your objections (as in, once Covid got rolling) and I'm kind of wondering why that is. Except I'm not, because you always, always, always tie it directly to politics, which says everything that needs saying. So to summarize: I hate that we need mandates or that they're being pushed. I like limitations and demands about my body as little as the next person. But we are actively trying to fight misinformation here. Literally people trying to convince you to take horse de-wormer, drink urine or inject bleach. Given the gullibility of the populace on certain things, given where a lot of this misinformation originated and is continuing to spread from? Yeah, unfortunately we have had to use more force to counter straight-up dangerous narratives.

I fully support your right to disagree, and I also support your right not to get vaccinated. But choosing not to get vaccinated, then howling that your freedoms are being taken away, is intellectually shortsighted and dishonest. There's really no other way to put it. Also also, invoking Nazi Germany, in any way and in any circumstance when it comes to Covid, is severely disrespectful. It's one thing to lament the state of affairs. That's fine. You do that to your heart's content, I guess. But there is absolutely no comparison between 2022 and Nazi Germany. None at all.

Another fun fact: leftists like me are fighting to remove patents from the vaccines we've got. Why? Precisely so that vaccine companies cannot actually make a profit from the suffering of other people. Even if you want to argue that this pandemic is being continued in perpetuity for big pharma, though, again, ask yourself this. Between progressives and conservatives, which one is more likely to try and cuddle up to big business of any kind? Here's a hint: it's not progressives.

That's true too. Let's remember that the government itself is never actually forcing you to get vaccinated. The closest they tried to come - and this was overturned - was to say that any company above a certain size had to either have all employees vaccinated, or all employees regularly tested. Given that large companies can be vectors for spreading the virus, this made sense, even if it was reaching quite a bit.

So far, by the way, I have not been able to get a single right-winger to explain to me how it's liberals or leftists that are perpetuating the pandemic via fear. When I try to argue the same way I did in my previous post, none of them, not a single one, has a credible counter-argument.

Oh, and as for Hungary and parliaments and whatnot? Again, remember that governments are not actually forcing you to be vaccinated just in general. That said, however, I wouldn't exactly look to Hungary's government as a sterling example of democracy and light, either. Victor Orban is two short steps from being a full-fledged dictator. Elections in Hungary have not been free and fair in a long time (they happen, but the result is never in doubt). For all you could ever want to know about Hungary's politics, look at Tucker Carlson, a man who is also suggesting that Russia is a more sympathetic government to support than America. Tucker Carlson seems to be itching to cast off all pretenses in order to become a shill for the authoritarian right, and he's praising Hungary.
No, this is not me taking a swipe at Hungarians in general. I'm criticizing their government, and suggesting that if there's a double standard present (rules for thee, not for me), it's probably by design, and is definitely pretty much par for the course when it comes to authoritarians.

Oh, and one more fun fact before I go:
Most Democrats in the House and Senate in America are vaccinated. Many republicans are not. Most Democrats will wear a mask in the house, just to keep one another safe, while republicans have been fined literally dozens of times for refusing to do so. Nothing says "freedom" like the statement of "I am free to infect whoever I want", I guess.

Just remember that personal freedom without limitation eventually ends up creating a paradox, because your personal freedoms will inevitably bump up against someone else's. For us leftists, we get this. As for conservatives? I'm...not sure which alternate reality they're living in, but hopefully I've outlined the double standard clearly enough by now. Again, I hate to make this political, but in this instance, it -is political, and I'm tired of bad-faith attacks and busted logic. The reason that certain points of view are "not welcome" here is because they can get people hurt or killed, and they aren't based in anything except partisanship.

Destranis, tell me something, if you would.

Let's say you went to the hospital because you needed your appendix out or something. You were going to have to be there for a week or so while you recovered. Now let's say in this hospital, workers weren't required to get vaccinated, even against more dangerous diseases. Many of them will anyway, of course, but it's no longer policy and no longer forced. Now, it just so happens that one of your doctors or nurses wasn't vaccinated, and was carrying a dangerous disease (doesn't even have to be Covid here). Maybe they knew they were sick but felt they had to come to work, because capitalism. Maybe they had no idea they were sick yet, and passed the illness to you by accident. Vaccination would have made the likelihood of their infecting you almost zero. Now let's say this illness resulted in serious long-term effects; you were unwell for months before you recovered completely. If not for that unvaccinated individual, you'd have been home a week after your admission with no long-term issues of any kind.
Do you feel that the hospital should be open to lawsuits because they didn't protect your safety? Do you think you should have the right to financial compensation because your illness might have been avoided with best health practices?
And further from that, if you feel the hospital or its staff were negligent, why is it okay to mandate vaccinations for health care workers, but it's somehow treasonous to ask anyone else to do it?

And others besides Destranis who buy into the "vaccines shouldn't be mandated" camp can feel free to answer this as well. I think you're going to find there's a double standard present.

Also, just as a heads up: individual companies or even specific sectors (public or private) have had rules for decades about what you must and must not do if you want to work for them. Those of you who are trying to make the government look clever or devious have to realize that this practice isn't new, and isn't even specific to governments. The government essentially tried to put a safety net over and above what was already in place, and this was done because we are in a literal global pandemic here; if there were precedent to do this at any point, I daresay it would be in these turbulent, troubled times.

It goes both ways. If a company chooses to impose ridiculous mandates for a disease that isn't world-ending, I choose not to support that company. I don't know about you, but I love being a conspiracy theorist! Funny how these conspiracy theories turn out to be true after a while. Remember how the lab conspiracy theory was heavily suppressed and now you can talk about it on the almighty Zuckerberg network? You heard him Destranis, let's go! The corruption will come out eventually.

I should add here that the main reason you're objecting to Facebook is because it actually had the balls to push back against Covid misinformation and the big lie, and both it and Twitter pretty much barred tfg from having a viable social media presence. You had no problem with it when tfg and Russia used it to help send targeted ads to black and brown voters trying to convince them not to vote, back in 2016 (yes, there are records of this).

You don't have a leg to stand on here. Notice there's only really one person in the room who's snapping at everything common-sense here?